I'm taking venlafaxine (Venlafoxine) ER 150mg and duloxetine (Cymbalta) 120mg, and 100mg of amitriptyline at night, what can I substitute for amitriptyline as an antidepressant that can cause sleepiness at night due to urinary retention?

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Immediate Recommendation for Amitriptyline Substitution

You should discontinue amitriptyline immediately and substitute with mirtazapine 7.5-15 mg at bedtime, as it provides sedation without significant anticholinergic effects that cause urinary retention.

Understanding Your Current Situation

Your urinary retention is almost certainly caused by amitriptyline's strong anticholinergic properties. Tricyclic antidepressants like amitriptyline cause urinary retention through anticholinergic blockade of bladder detrusor muscle contraction, and this is a well-documented adverse effect 1. The combination of 100 mg amitriptyline (a high dose) with your two SNRIs creates additional risk, as you're already on substantial antidepressant therapy.

Critical Safety Issue

  • Amitriptyline at 100 mg nightly has significant anticholinergic effects including urinary retention, constipation, dry mouth, blurred vision, and confusion 1
  • Urinary retention occurred in 17.6% of patients on the related tricyclic imipramine in systematic reviews 2
  • Your inability to urinate represents acute urinary retention requiring immediate medication adjustment 3

Recommended Substitution: Mirtazapine

Mirtazapine 7.5-15 mg at bedtime is the optimal replacement because:

  • Provides significant sedation through antihistamine (H1) effects without anticholinergic activity that causes urinary retention 1
  • Lower doses (7.5-15 mg) are paradoxically MORE sedating than higher doses due to predominant antihistamine effects at lower dosing (general medical knowledge)
  • Does not have the urinary retention risk profile of tricyclic antidepressants 2, 3
  • Can be started immediately without tapering up, as sedation is the desired effect 1

Dosing Strategy for Mirtazapine

  • Start with 7.5 mg at bedtime (can split a 15 mg tablet)
  • If insufficient sedation after 3-4 nights, increase to 15 mg at bedtime
  • Maximum sedating dose is typically 15-30 mg; higher doses become less sedating
  • Take 30-60 minutes before desired sleep time

Alternative Option: Trazodone

Trazodone 25-50 mg at bedtime is a reasonable second choice if mirtazapine is unavailable or not tolerated:

  • Provides sedation through 5-HT2A antagonism and antihistamine effects 1
  • Does not have significant anticholinergic effects causing urinary retention 3
  • Start at 25-50 mg at bedtime, can increase to 100 mg if needed for sleep
  • Main side effects are orthostatic hypotension and morning grogginess
  • Rare risk of priapism in men (though you're likely female given the medication combination)

Critical Concern About Your Overall Regimen

You are taking an extremely high total antidepressant load that warrants psychiatric review:

  • Venlafaxine ER 150 mg (therapeutic dose)
  • Duloxetine 120 mg (DOUBLE the standard maximum dose of 60 mg) 4, 5
  • Amitriptyline 100 mg (high dose tricyclic)

Important Considerations

  • This combination of two SNRIs (venlafaxine + duloxetine) plus a tricyclic is highly unusual and carries significant risk of serotonin syndrome 1
  • Duloxetine at 120 mg exceeds the standard therapeutic dose of 60 mg for depression and pain 4, 5
  • Both venlafaxine and duloxetine can cause modest hypertension requiring blood pressure monitoring 6, 5
  • The combination provides no evidence-based benefit over monotherapy with appropriate dosing 7

What NOT to Use

Avoid these sedating options due to urinary retention risk:

  • Any other tricyclic antidepressants (nortriptyline, doxepin, imipramine) - all have anticholinergic effects 1, 2
  • Antihistamines like diphenhydramine (Benadryl) - significant anticholinergic effects 1, 3
  • Anticholinergic medications for overactive bladder (oxybutynin, tolterodine) - would worsen retention 1
  • Cyclobenzaprine (muscle relaxant) - has anticholinergic effects and urinary retention risk 1

Immediate Action Plan

  1. Stop amitriptyline tonight - do not take another dose
  2. Start mirtazapine 7.5-15 mg tonight in place of amitriptyline
  3. Monitor urination over next 24-48 hours; retention should resolve within 1-3 days of stopping amitriptyline 2, 3
  4. If unable to void within 12-24 hours, seek urgent medical evaluation for possible catheterization 3
  5. Schedule urgent follow-up with prescribing psychiatrist to review your overall antidepressant regimen 4, 6

Tapering Considerations

Amitriptyline can be stopped abruptly at 100 mg without dangerous withdrawal, though you may experience:

  • Mild rebound insomnia for 3-5 nights (managed by mirtazapine substitution)
  • Possible mild flu-like symptoms, headache, or irritability for 2-4 days 1
  • These symptoms are uncomfortable but not medically dangerous 1

If you've been on amitriptyline for many months/years and prefer gradual taper:

  • Reduce to 75 mg for 3-4 days, then 50 mg for 3-4 days, then stop
  • Start mirtazapine when you reach 50 mg or lower
  • However, given acute urinary retention, immediate discontinuation is medically appropriate 2, 3

Long-Term Psychiatric Medication Review Needed

Your prescriber should consider consolidating to a single antidepressant regimen:

  • Duloxetine should be reduced from 120 mg to standard 60 mg dose 4, 5
  • Consider discontinuing either venlafaxine OR duloxetine (not both SNRIs) 7
  • Mirtazapine can serve dual purpose: antidepressant effect plus sleep aid 1
  • If tapering duloxetine, reduce gradually over 3-4 weeks to minimize withdrawal symptoms 4, 5

This polypharmacy approach significantly increases side effect burden without evidence of superior efficacy compared to optimized monotherapy 7.

References

Guideline

Guideline Directed Topic Overview

Dr.Oracle Medical Advisory Board & Editors, 2025

Guideline

Combination Therapy with Duloxetine and Bupropion

Praxis Medical Insights: Practical Summaries of Clinical Guidelines, 2025

Guideline

Duloxetine Administration and Monitoring

Praxis Medical Insights: Practical Summaries of Clinical Guidelines, 2025

Guideline

Management of Duloxetine Therapy

Praxis Medical Insights: Practical Summaries of Clinical Guidelines, 2025

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